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		<title>Comment on Crowd Funding for Startups &#8211; should it be legal? by Neil Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/2012/01/crowd-funding-for-startups-should-it-be-legal/comment-page-1/#comment-1794</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Adrian - that&#039;s a very good question. A lawyer I spoke to recently expressed the view that he thought it was illegal - but equally, CrowdCube have gone to considerable lengths to be as legal as possible.

Here is what I understand...

Crowd Funding is where a large(r) number of people (a crowd) invest in a collective investment (ie where the control is shared) - which is what equities are.

Now, collective investments have special rules about whether you are allow to promote them.

Some are &#039;authorised&#039; by the national financial regulator (in the UK the FSA) and that means they can be promoted or marketed or made available by sitting on a website.

Others are not &#039;authorised&#039; and anybody who markets or makes the web page available in a given country (eg UK) and even if they or their business is based abroad (such as British Virgin Islands) they are liable for a prison sentence if they allow the &#039;unauthorised&#039; collective investment to be made available (ie sitting on a website is generally regarded as sufficient).

Now, there is a way around this - that is, if you check that anyone seeing the advert or promotion is a High Net Worth Individual or Sophisticated Investor - then that&#039;s okay.

So, there is a grey area where Crowd Funders make the offer available - without any advice or explicit promotion and then only allow registered High Net Worth Individuals or Sophisticated Investors to get access to the contact details. In this way, they can claim they are not promoting it per say.

However, as per the article, http://www.ibusinessangel.com/2012/01/crowd-funding-nearly-legal/, there is a bill before the US Senate to make Crowd Funding legal - ie. clear up the grey area.

Hope this helps
Neil

ps. I am not a lawyer - but an entrepreneur - so don&#039;t take this as the final word - there may be a specialist lawyer who would explain it better... but equally, I find lawyers often disagree about the laws here - as I say - it&#039;s a grey area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adrian &#8211; that&#8217;s a very good question. A lawyer I spoke to recently expressed the view that he thought it was illegal &#8211; but equally, CrowdCube have gone to considerable lengths to be as legal as possible.</p>
<p>Here is what I understand&#8230;</p>
<p>Crowd Funding is where a large(r) number of people (a crowd) invest in a collective investment (ie where the control is shared) &#8211; which is what equities are.</p>
<p>Now, collective investments have special rules about whether you are allow to promote them.</p>
<p>Some are &#8216;authorised&#8217; by the national financial regulator (in the UK the FSA) and that means they can be promoted or marketed or made available by sitting on a website.</p>
<p>Others are not &#8216;authorised&#8217; and anybody who markets or makes the web page available in a given country (eg UK) and even if they or their business is based abroad (such as British Virgin Islands) they are liable for a prison sentence if they allow the &#8216;unauthorised&#8217; collective investment to be made available (ie sitting on a website is generally regarded as sufficient).</p>
<p>Now, there is a way around this &#8211; that is, if you check that anyone seeing the advert or promotion is a High Net Worth Individual or Sophisticated Investor &#8211; then that&#8217;s okay.</p>
<p>So, there is a grey area where Crowd Funders make the offer available &#8211; without any advice or explicit promotion and then only allow registered High Net Worth Individuals or Sophisticated Investors to get access to the contact details. In this way, they can claim they are not promoting it per say.</p>
<p>However, as per the article, <a href="http://www.ibusinessangel.com/2012/01/crowd-funding-nearly-legal/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibusinessangel.com/2012/01/crowd-funding-nearly-legal/</a>, there is a bill before the US Senate to make Crowd Funding legal &#8211; ie. clear up the grey area.</p>
<p>Hope this helps<br />
Neil</p>
<p>ps. I am not a lawyer &#8211; but an entrepreneur &#8211; so don&#8217;t take this as the final word &#8211; there may be a specialist lawyer who would explain it better&#8230; but equally, I find lawyers often disagree about the laws here &#8211; as I say &#8211; it&#8217;s a grey area.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Funding Calls by Thanos Mitrelias</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/funding-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>Thanos Mitrelias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the founding director of Cavendish NanoTherapeutics - a spin off company from the University of Cambridge in the UK. We have developed systems for the targeted treatment of cancer, minimising any side effects. Our magnetic nanotechnology enables tumours to be eradicated in a localised and targeted manner. 

We seek investments of the order of £0.6 million to start marketing our systems and proceed with further clinical trials. The company has been recently awarded a substantial grant from TSB.

Please have a look at our website: www.cnt.uk.com

You may contact me at: thanos@cnt.uk.com

Many thanks
Dr Thanos Mitrelias
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the founding director of Cavendish NanoTherapeutics &#8211; a spin off company from the University of Cambridge in the UK. We have developed systems for the targeted treatment of cancer, minimising any side effects. Our magnetic nanotechnology enables tumours to be eradicated in a localised and targeted manner. </p>
<p>We seek investments of the order of £0.6 million to start marketing our systems and proceed with further clinical trials. The company has been recently awarded a substantial grant from TSB.</p>
<p>Please have a look at our website: <a href="http://www.cnt.uk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnt.uk.com</a></p>
<p>You may contact me at: <a href="mailto:thanos@cnt.uk.com">thanos@cnt.uk.com</a></p>
<p>Many thanks<br />
Dr Thanos Mitrelias</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crowd Funding for Startups &#8211; should it be legal? by Adrian Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/2012/01/crowd-funding-for-startups-should-it-be-legal/comment-page-1/#comment-1792</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, and it shows some problems with the FSA rules which I believe make friends fools and family funding illegal?
so does this mean crowdcube which has closed c£1.6 m to date is illegal (it even closed 300k for its own business</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, and it shows some problems with the FSA rules which I believe make friends fools and family funding illegal?<br />
so does this mean crowdcube which has closed c£1.6 m to date is illegal (it even closed 300k for its own business</p>
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		<title>Comment on Funding Calls by Colin Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/funding-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1791</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning Tony
Would you forward your Business Plan with detailed Financials 
regards
Colin
+ 44 116 270 5273
skype colin.f.wood
email colwood@aol.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning Tony<br />
Would you forward your Business Plan with detailed Financials<br />
regards<br />
Colin<br />
+ 44 116 270 5273<br />
skype colin.f.wood<br />
email <a href="mailto:colwood@aol.com">colwood@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Crowd Funding for Startups &#8211; should it be legal? by Mark Nugent</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/2012/01/crowd-funding-for-startups-should-it-be-legal/comment-page-1/#comment-1790</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Nugent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this crowdfunding....

http://www.kickstarter.com/

I am keen to know. Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this crowdfunding&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kickstarter.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kickstarter.com/</a></p>
<p>I am keen to know. Mark</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crowd Funding for Startups &#8211; should it be legal? by Neil Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/2012/01/crowd-funding-for-startups-should-it-be-legal/comment-page-1/#comment-1789</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff

Crowd Funding is illegal as it is a collective investment under FSA rules and it is illegal to allow a collective investment to promoted in the UK (even if your product or trading office is outside - say in Isle of Man) - and can result in a criminal (or prison) sentence for the company directors who allow it to be promoted.

So, placing an advert on a website - which is viewable by UK residents - for an investment in a startup (where the investor takes a small part of the investment - shares - and has shared control) is illegal.

If you choose to invest in a friends business - that is okay - assuming that he hasn&#039;t promoted it to unknown people (ie stuck the offer on a website or printed it out and posted it to a list of potential investors).

Hope this helps.

Br
Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff</p>
<p>Crowd Funding is illegal as it is a collective investment under FSA rules and it is illegal to allow a collective investment to promoted in the UK (even if your product or trading office is outside &#8211; say in Isle of Man) &#8211; and can result in a criminal (or prison) sentence for the company directors who allow it to be promoted.</p>
<p>So, placing an advert on a website &#8211; which is viewable by UK residents &#8211; for an investment in a startup (where the investor takes a small part of the investment &#8211; shares &#8211; and has shared control) is illegal.</p>
<p>If you choose to invest in a friends business &#8211; that is okay &#8211; assuming that he hasn&#8217;t promoted it to unknown people (ie stuck the offer on a website or printed it out and posted it to a list of potential investors).</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Br<br />
Neil</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crowd Funding for Startups &#8211; should it be legal? by Jeff Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/2012/01/crowd-funding-for-startups-should-it-be-legal/comment-page-1/#comment-1788</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it currently illegal?

Will it be monitored differently than other investment products by the investment regulators?

What is the current status of business angel investing ? I cannot imagine that I am prevented from investing in a friends business if I choose to do so. I guess that funds which make business angel investing easier in stranger businesses should be carefully regulated.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it currently illegal?</p>
<p>Will it be monitored differently than other investment products by the investment regulators?</p>
<p>What is the current status of business angel investing ? I cannot imagine that I am prevented from investing in a friends business if I choose to do so. I guess that funds which make business angel investing easier in stranger businesses should be carefully regulated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Funding Calls by jose vazquez</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/funding-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1787</link>
		<dc:creator>jose vazquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Project 1
Looking to buy $7.5M stock value in a american company to expand hooters franchise restaurants in Europe,SouthAfrica,Brazil,Australia. Interested? djosevazquez@yahoo.com

Project 2
Small 10,000 to 20,000 seed money capital to form &quot;idea stage&quot; level and joint venture with technology investors to elevate company to Seed Level.  Start Up company in the video games for pc game and game console.

Project 3
Im in need of $500,000 to invest with a company restaurant investing group; owner of restaurant retail spaces.
This investment will be for my own signature restaurant in the desire terrain control and property vacants of the principal investing company.

Project 4
Serious business partners and or investors to participate with a group of consultants and investors on a signature restaurant in San Francisco,CA and it&#039;s surrounding cities.

$5,000 in Risk to search with restaurants consultants for high net worth investors interested in my san francisco bay area signature restaurant and it&#039;s surrounding cities. With this money investment the search is very wide and the risk for failure is immediately high or incredible great for parties in large networks of wealth desiring high profits returns.

Project 5
Establish with a prominent co-founder of lyfe kitchen if possible a over haul of menu to deliver a high sales restaurant in Daly City,CA. Location is more than perfect , investment goals are very high.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Project 1<br />
Looking to buy $7.5M stock value in a american company to expand hooters franchise restaurants in Europe,SouthAfrica,Brazil,Australia. Interested? <a href="mailto:djosevazquez@yahoo.com">djosevazquez@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>Project 2<br />
Small 10,000 to 20,000 seed money capital to form &#8220;idea stage&#8221; level and joint venture with technology investors to elevate company to Seed Level.  Start Up company in the video games for pc game and game console.</p>
<p>Project 3<br />
Im in need of $500,000 to invest with a company restaurant investing group; owner of restaurant retail spaces.<br />
This investment will be for my own signature restaurant in the desire terrain control and property vacants of the principal investing company.</p>
<p>Project 4<br />
Serious business partners and or investors to participate with a group of consultants and investors on a signature restaurant in San Francisco,CA and it&#8217;s surrounding cities.</p>
<p>$5,000 in Risk to search with restaurants consultants for high net worth investors interested in my san francisco bay area signature restaurant and it&#8217;s surrounding cities. With this money investment the search is very wide and the risk for failure is immediately high or incredible great for parties in large networks of wealth desiring high profits returns.</p>
<p>Project 5<br />
Establish with a prominent co-founder of lyfe kitchen if possible a over haul of menu to deliver a high sales restaurant in Daly City,CA. Location is more than perfect , investment goals are very high.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Funding Calls by Riverwoodsbarry</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/funding-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1786</link>
		<dc:creator>Riverwoodsbarry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, we are a non profit pro life media company called ProLife Champions. We are seeking funding on our upcoming film, will offer royalties plus 3% return. Go to www.prolifechampions.com and establish contact. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, we are a non profit pro life media company called ProLife Champions. We are seeking funding on our upcoming film, will offer royalties plus 3% return. Go to <a href="http://www.prolifechampions.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.prolifechampions.com</a> and establish contact.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Funding Calls by Robyn124</title>
		<link>http://www.ibusinessangel.com/funding-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-1785</link>
		<dc:creator>Robyn124</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi there,
we are working with several commoditie owners in the pacific and we are looking for funding for start up capital</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi there,<br />
we are working with several commoditie owners in the pacific and we are looking for funding for start up capital</p>
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